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o'reilly. hope to see you next time. remember, the spin stops here because we are always looking out for you. sean: tonight -- >> i know this has been called the beer summit. three folks having a drink at the end of the day. sean: the beer is tapped out so will the race controversy end as well? >> back in washington, there's been a lot of talk about the politics of health care and who's up and who's down. sean: no vote until september. >> will my presidency be damaged severely if we don't pass health care? sean: will the president's bill sink itself? frank luntz provides the latest poll numbers. >> at some point during the next two to four years, iran will have a nuclear weapon. sean: senator evan bayh on the looming iranian threat. mexican drug cartels, video show shocking we can only show a portion of it. >> there are so many of them.
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sean: and are u.f. porks' hollywood creation -- u.f.o.'s hollywood creation? we investigate one man's claims that we are not alone. "hannity" starts right now. all right. the keg at the white house is running on empty. the stools are up, the bartenders, they're turning the lights off but now just one day removed from the highly anticipated white house beer summit between president obama, harvard professor henry gates and police sergeant james crowley, is the controversy now over? now, throughout this ordeal, one thing is certainly clear. a rookie president, unnothingly -- unnothingly waded into a firestorm when he said the cambridge police department acted stupidly. that launched a local issue into the national headlines and now may be responsible for bringing the president's approval ratings down. and i'm joined now by pollster, frank luntz is with us. thanks for being with us. >> thank you, sean. sean: why don't we -- we'll start our way and move our way backward, all right?
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let's go back. this is sergeant crowley immediately yesterday after the big beer brouhaha. here's what he had to say. >> we had a cordial and productive session with the president, vice president and professor gates. we have all agreed that it's important to look forward rather than backward. issues important to all of us will form the basis of discussions between professor gates and me in the days and weeks to come. professor gates and i bring different perspectives to these issues. and we have agreed that both perspectives should be addressed in an effort to provide a constructive outcome to the events of the past month. thank you. sean: obviously the officer has taken the high road. i don't think we could really learn anything if we don't look back. what do you think of the whole idea in the way this came down? no apologies came out of this. >> which is surprising to me. barack obama is very good when he needs to be contrite, when he needs no say hey, i've made a mistake. i went too far. all through the campaign. that was his high mark. he had the ability to know when
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to step back and reset the political equation. he didn't do it here. and i think this is an opportunity. and i'm glad to have this. and i appreciate it, sean, to say just what a tough job, what a challenging job the policemen of this country have. they're not appreciated. they're attacked by the media. they're attacked by newspapers. they're attacked by angry citizens because they hold citizens accountable. it's about time that we say thank you to the cops. we're always doing it to the military. which we should be doing. but they keep us safe right here. and i think that this sergeant did a fantastic job of keeping himself calm, cool and collected in this awful media storm. sean: all right. let's work our way back a little bit here if we can. because for no reason at all, even admitting that he didn't have any facts, the president went out there and accused these police officers of acting stupidly. now, that was the first mistake. and then he tried to downplay it, instead of apologizing and moved forward and said this is had a teachable moment -- this
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is a teachable moment. we have to lower the volume. i felt had i conduct all along this whole thing was frankly disturbing to me. because i felt like he had no right to say that in this case. >> look, people make mistakes. they say things that they shouldn't say. using the word "stupid" was a very loaded word and i believe he did it deliberately. and i would have thought that after realizing that he had stepped in it, and made a mistake, that he would say, look, i spoke too soon. i shouldn't have said what i said. i apologize. we are a very forgiving country, sean. we acknowledge that we made a mistake. the public said great, let's move on. but obama never really did that. and quite frankly this beer summit, the only only good thing about it is at least barack obama chose bud light as his beer. at least he chose an american beer. sean: i like bud light and coors light. and i still like heineken light. does that make me -- >> max you two -- makes you two thirds ok. sean: only two thirds. well, that's fair enough.
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but even leading up to this whole thing, when the president talked about, well, you know, this is hype. too much hyperbole. we got to lower the volume. when he talks about ginning up anger, knows are the mistakes i felt he made -- those are the mistakes i felt he made in this process. and he very skillfully manipulated the american people away from talking about his mistake into turning this into a bigger issue. but the american people according to the polls didn't buy it. do you think he pulled it off? >> i don't think he pulled it off. and i think what's happening with him in health care is an example. at the very moment that he needed to be focused on his health care plan and he is a good salesman. let's give him credit for being an awesome communicator, at the moment he needed to be communicating, his plan as it seems to be dropping in the polls, every single day, he suddenly diverted to an issue suddenly diverted to an issue that he wanted nothing to do
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open their eyes a little bit and take second look that maybe guys like sean hannity might have been right all along? >> i want to give you what
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you're leading me toward. but i actually think that it makes people doubt his judgment in times of pressure. remember, this was spoken during a press conference. so there was no briefing there. and he spoke, totally off the cuff. the final question. it says to people that just maybe he's a little tired. he's making some mistakes. and if i have some doubt about him in this performance, can i really trust what he's saying in other things? sean, it doesn't make people angry at him. but it does make them doubt that things that he says after that. sean: maybe that's what -- in other words, i think that he used terms during the campaign. he would read his teleprompter. it was very well scripted. he gave a great speech. and then there were guys like me saying you know what? i think he's far more radical than he lets on. are those doubts creeping in now? maybe that's a better way to ask it. >> it's more, is he up to the job in the way that we have to trust him with the budget?
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with health care, with energy, with the environment. that's the concern. is he up to the job? sean: frank, we got to run. thank you. >> thank you. sean: the health care bill will hit the house floor in september but how far -- how will it fare in the senate? we'll check in with senator evan bayh and much more straight ahead.รบ
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sean: mouse democrats announce their intention to vote -- house democrats announce their intention to vote on a health care bill. but will it cause as much turmoil as it did in the house? joining me is indiana senator evan bayh. always good to have you. thank you for being back with us. we appreciate it. >> good to be back with you, sean. sean: let's start with the house version and the house turmoil that's been unfolding all week here. you have the liberal congressmen rebelling, the blue
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dogs, and you have turmoil and a president that really wanted to push this through and hadn't read the bill. as you stand back, what is one to make of this process? >> well, to the average american, washington probably looks a little chaotic, sean. but the important thing here is we take our time and get it right. this affects every american. and particularly those 65% who currently have insurance. we need to make sure we try to keep their costs under control going forward. that's what's bothering most people. and put into place some reforms that make sure they won't lose their insurance. if they lose their job or they got a health care condition of some kind. that's number one. number two, get the deficit down. this has got to be a part of long-term fiscal responsibility. not making it go up and third, we shouldn't hurt the economy in the short run and this has got to be part of a long-term strategy to make america more competitive. so all these shenanigans and going on, regrettably part of the process but we have to keep our eye on the ball and at the end of all this deliver a product that's good for america. sean: i understand that. but a lot of americans and
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polls bear this out, they're very skeptical of what is being talked about in washington. or, look, they're looking at social security's bankrupt. medicare is bankrupt. now we're going to take over nearly 20% of the american economy. and the american people are saying, why should we trust people in d.c. at all? and the c.b.o. then scores it and their numbers are extremely high. we've already accumulated enough debt and deficits. are you -- are you trying to get that message to members of your party that they need to go back to more fiscal responsibility? >> well, sean, i definitely am. as you will recall, i was the only member of my party to vote against the omnibus spending bill. and if we had not passed that, we would have saved more than $200 billion over the course of the next 10 years. and i was one of only two or three to vote against the budget because of my concerns that the rate of spending was three or four times the rate of inflation. so as a former governor who balanced budgets and left my state with the largest budget surplus in our state's history, i care deeply about fiscal responsibility. and for this health care reform process to be successful, sean,
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it's got to do two things. first, speak to that 65% who currently have insurance. say to them what's in it for you, particularly keeping their costs under control, and the process -- the country is in the process of going bankrupt and exploding health care costs are part of that and we have to get those under control. if we don't do those two things it's not going to be successful. sean: do you really think america is going bankrupt? >> if you look at the size of the deficit, almost 50% of everything we're spending. this year is a little bit unusual because of some of the things that had to be done to rescue the financial system and in a sort of thing. even after this year, the rate of the increase in debt is much faster than the growth of our economy. that means that we're going to be paying interest on interest and over the next 10 years it will get away from us. we're going to have to make hard decisions to get spending under control and get this deficit down. so going bankrupt, maybe that's being a little forceful. but we are on an unsustainable course. let's put it that way. sean: that's a word i use often, senator. that america is on an
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unsustainable course. we cannot financially -- this is not possible and we're really robbing from future generations. have you expressed this specifically to the president? have you had discussions with him about how we need to get our budget in balance considering he's accumulated this debt and these deficits? >> yes, i had an opportunity to meet with him a couple weeks ago on this subject. and i indicated to him exactly what i've told our viewers here tonight. that for me, i want to know what this is going to do to help resolve our fiscal imbalances. get in deficit down and keep us on -- put us back on a sustainable path. sean: and what does he say? >> he agreed with that, sean. sean: but he quadrupled the deficit in a year. >> well, to be fair to the president, there were some extraordinary circumstances. and he inherited a bad economy and a couple of wars and some other things. but the point i want to make is he was well aware that we have some tough decisions to make. he was alarmed at the first c.b.o. analysis of the health care proposal in the house said
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that it increased the deficit rather than reduced it. he knows we can't go down that path. and so i think going forward, you will see him speaking directly to those americans who currently have insurance, and trying to put this in the context of getting our deficit under control. because if we don't get health care costs under control it will be virtually impossible to get the deficit down. and i agree with you. this is on an unsustainable path. the last thing i said was mr. president, i've become a little cynical about spending in washington. and he kind of laughed about that because he felt with good reason. and i said i'm afraid that it will take a reaction of the bond market, the praoist market rebelling to impose some discipline on members of congress. and he agreed with me that we should not wait until that day. we need to act before those kind of damaging consequences to the economy. sean: do you think the democratic party has moved too far to the left? >> well, i find myself having a more moderate to conservative fiscal and economic outlook. and a little more forceful outlook on national security than some members of my party. but look, both extremes.
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whether it's on the far left or the far right, tend to not really speak to the american people and come up with practical solutions. and my guess is what the vast majority of your views want, whether they're democrats or republicans, or regardless of ideology, they want what works. what will matter in their daily lives? and enough of this politics and ideology. sean: i would agree. i want to ask you one national security question. because it's really important. i know you've been dealing with the issue of minimizing potential threats from iran. senator, help me out. because i don't see any alternative for israel any longer. as they continue to threaten to wipe this country off the face of the earth and wipe them off the map, and they continue to defy the international community and seek nuclear weapons, they're fighting three proxy wars. what other option is there except to take out these facilities? because i personally don't see it. what do you suggest? >> well, sean, i'm deeply concerned as are you about iran's nuclear threat.
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and i think we need to do what it takes to keep them from realizing that ambition. i think a strike by israel is a little premature at this time. and the gist of our hearing today was the iranians respect one thing only and that's strength. dialogue without meaningful consequences will get us nowhere. and that's why i think we need to go through a progression here. first, crippling economic sanctions. their economy is not good. perhaps we can get them to change their minds that way. although i frankly am a bit skeptical. we need to try it. the ultimate reason, sean, is that in order for us to get the job done with regard to iran we will need help from some of our allies and from some countries that aren't our allies but have an interest in this. so going through this progression maximizes our chance a, we won't have to use force and b, if it comes to that, it will be successful. sean: thank you for being back with us. senator bayh. you can tell your democratic friends i don't buy it. i'm a good guy. they're afraid to come on this program. >> i'll tell them i not only survived but enjoyed the experience. sean: in the spirit of drinking
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beer this week, i'll send you a case of beer if it's legally allowable. thank you, senator. >> thank you, sean. i'll enjoy it. sean: and coming up, the president is refunding hundreds of fraudulent donations made to his campaign. but some of those donors may prove a bit difficult to track down. we have details on that and we have details on that and more coming up straight ahead. inspired from around the country at red lobster. from the northeast, try our new maine lobster and crab bake, with garlic-roasted tender maine lobster, jumbo shrimp, scallops, and a full half-pound of snow crab legs. or from the south, try our new orleans... wood-grilled shrimp jambalaya, simmered with creole seasonings. taste these regional dishes for a limited time. at red lobster.
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sean: and tonight on "hannity's america" during the campaign season much was made of the suspicious donations made to the obama campaign. -- reports the remaining stafferens -- staffers have taken it upon themselves to reimburse the fraudulent donors. they have issued $27,000 in refunds to lobbyists. at least 40 refunds to foreign donors and one big refund to musician and convicted murderer phil spector who maxed out his contributions to mr. obama. but the "new york post" and the national review -- and the reported on the following obama donors who were allowed to contribute to the campaign through the purposefully lax online contribution system. they include john gault, of anrand, in gulf, colorado.
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remember that? a bad donation, made his contribution with a bad card, and donations made under various fake names and finally adolf hitler in berlin, germany, donated under this name and address to demonstrate the absurdity of obama's online donation system. so i wonder how the president plans to reimburse them or maybe he'll just keep the cash. and even though the president's popularity is tanking here at home, he remains mr. popular around the world. especially among countries that aren't very fond of america. and i wonder why. a whopping 91% of frenchmen expressed confidence in president obama to "do the right thing in world affairs." while only 13% expressed the same confidence in president bush. in the palestinian authority's only 8% of respondents were confident that president bush would do the right thing. where 23% of those surveyed voiced confidence in president
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obama. now, this trend held firm in russia where despite lingering cold war tensions, 37% expressed confidence in obama. only 22% said the same thing of president bush. it's interesting those who dislike america see so much good in our president. the only nation in which president bush outpolled president obama. that's our ally israel. now, speaking of russia, stalin's former outpost may not be officially communist anymore. but its certainly acting the part. "newsweek" magazine reports that russian president dimentry medvedev -- demetri medvedev made it a question of crime to question the soviet victory in world war ii and created a commission responsible for " counteracting attempts to falsify history that are to the detriment of russia." the kremlin also seems determined to erase the memory of stalin's crimes. last december, police raided and confiscated the archives of a memorial that documents the
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dictator's brutality. we'll continue to watch as events unfold in russia. and as always, we'll bring you the latest news. now, obama science and technology czar john moldren advocated the dedevelopment of the united states in a book that he co-authored in 1973. in the book, which was recently unearthed by he writes "a massive campaign must be launched to restore a high quality environment in north america and to dedevelop the united states." i think i'm going to go out on a limb and guess that president obama's vetters overlooked that when they chose mr. holdren. and when president obama signed the executive order createrring the economic recovery advisory board, he invited the president of the alfakapa sorority to attend the event. this is the country's first sorority founded by black women and its president, barbara mckins i, is the former --
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sean: a disturbing story out of phoenix is now beginning to make national headlines. earlier this month an 8-year-old girl was allegedly raped in a vacant shed near her home by a group of four boys ranging in ages from 9 to 14. the oldest of the boys is being charged as an adult. authorities believe the victim's family, including her father, who is from liberia, actually blamed the 8-year-old girl for this brutal assault. and as a result, child protective services removed the girl from their custody. now, the girl's father denies that claim and is calling on authorities to bring her home. however, it is believed that a review of this case could take up to 90 days, leaving the girl without her family and in the hands of the state. joining me to discuss this and more, fox news legal analyst
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mercedes cohen and attorney rebecca rose woodland. first of all, we got conflicting stories here. either the family blamed and ostracized this girl or didn't. right? in this case? >> exactly right. sean: the father claims they didn't. >> the officials say it was clear when they were there that he was starting to blame this young daughter. that's what we're dealing w we're not saying the 8-year-old came forward saying my daddy is blaming me. it was the officials involved and that's why they took the child and that's what's important. sean: why 90 days? why can't we have a finding of the facts, an immediate -- what? >> they need to take that time to review. sean: so this kid is stuck in limbo for 90 days? >> i don't know that she's in limbo but do you want to send her back to her father who says i don't want you? sean: this can go before a judge in short order and a judge can determine -- >> there is an investigation that has to be done. sean: ok. >> this child was brutally robbed and a child picked up and a reboundry victim. >> the parents -- sean: you two are ganging up on
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me. >> you need two against one here. sean: we can't expedite the system for the best interests of the child and by expedite either the father said it or didn't. are there corroborating witnesses? who heard it. the father says he didn't. if the father didn't and they're keeping this child -- >> it's not enough, sean. they need forensic psychologists to come forward and see what's in the best interests of the child. you can't have officials -- sean: we need a harvard shrink to figure this out. >> can this child be reunited -- sean: this shouldn't take 90 days. i want a finding of the fact. there's a chance this girl may have been raped and now she's being kept away from the comfort and support of her family. and the bureaucracy and the government is making them wait 90 days. >> wait a minute. they have to go in and investigate. there are other cases they're investigating of other children that have been separated from their home. why do those children -- they shouldn't be bumped out, down the list. >> you're making a huge
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assumption. sean: what's the assumption? >> the comfort of their family. officials saying it's not comforting that this could be dangerous to this child. sean: i'm saying we need to ascertain the facts. this is an 8-year-old girl that was raped. and here she may be in a situation when not only was she raped but she could have been taken away from her loving family. here's my point. if the courts can't prioritize a case like this, and expedite a finding of facts, our system is failing these kids. >> but there may be other kids who have similar situations that were taken out of their homes. and why should they be bumped down on the list? you see that? that child -- sean: if there are other girls that have been raped and other kids in similar situations, then we owe it to all of them to do that. >> you're saying rush to judgment. let's just get there before them. sean: no, i'm not. i'm saying make a finding of fact. >> finding the facts takes time. sean: this is not a bureaucratic world of lawyers where it takes 400 years to get to a determination. >> it will not take 400 years. you need the investigation to
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be done completely. sean: i'll tell you what -- judge judy, i'm going to be the judge. i'm going to demand that everybody involved in this case appear in my courtroom within 24 hours and i am going to question each and every single person. did the father say it? did he not say it? and if flase enough evidence that he said -- and if there's enough evidence that he said it i -- 90 days, 120 days. >> i'm very good friends with juvenile court and they said the dockets are full. sean: hire more judges. >> that's what we should do. >> it's about the investigation also and it's not just talk to the father and talk to the officials. it's talk to family members. talk to the psychologists. interview that young child. sean: mercedes, you have spent 200 years defending criminals. you have spent too many years. this is all i need to know. who heard this father blame the daughter?
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we -- >> we don't need that much. there's not enough time. >> even with attempted credibility -- sean: now you're arguing among yourselves. >> even if there's a test of credibility here, it really has to go beyond that and look at the experts. the experts have to come in. because she's not isolated entirely. i'm sure she's had a lot of psychologists meeting with her. the social -- the therapists. sean: i think where our disagreement is, and i say this respectfully. i'm kidding about you being a lawyer. in all honesty you're accepting a status quo bureaucratic nightmare for an 8-year-old kid that i'm saying we are failing. the system is failing this kid. >> i agree we're failing. i just don't think it's the system's fault. i think there aren't enough people. sean: of course it's the stip's fault. whose fault is it if it's not the system? >> there's not enough money allocated. >> i don't think that the c.p.s. officials out there are doing anything wrong. i think they're working within
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their limitations. sean: yes, counselor. >> i do think there is a limitation to their resources, absolutely true. and they are inundated but the fact of the matter is this child is in their custody and i'm sure she's well taken care of. and tarbg to the -- and talk to the psychologist. >> i feel bad the poor girl is alone without anyone. that's not easy. >> everyone is assuming this is a loving family. sean: four kids. >> the father blaming this 8-year-old and you want her back in the family home. sean: i am not. i am saying i want to know, bring me any witness that can prove to me that that father even suggested it. if he suggested it, we got to protect the girl. >> i've done reunification hearings. i'm telling you now it's not that simple. it's a test of credibility. you are going to have the witnesses, the experts, the therapists. you're going to have a guardian. you have a guardian. that's you what need at the time of trial.
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sean: this girl is suffering because the american nightmare of the court system. this is obama care, they screw it up royaly and in this case an 8-year-old girl is hurt. >> what's even better the official stepped in because they thought she was in danger. and that's what they're looking at. >> they're trying to help her. they don't want to send her back to a home where god another bid the -- god forbid the father blames her. sean: the bureaucrats, move the docket up. >> they did intervene. sean: i'm very frustrated. >> god forbids something happens in the home. they would be blamed as well. so it's very hard balance. sean: i want to know if there's one person that will go on record corroborating the father did this. if the father did it, you're right. if there's not one person to corroborate it, get that girl back in her family's custody. >> even under the right circumstances. >> we don't want her left in limbo. if she doesn't go to her father
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she needs to go to a loving family member. that will take care of her. sean: you irritated me. >> we did our job. all right! sean: mercedes, rebecca, thank you. and still to come, a border patrol agent assassinated by smugglers on the border near san diego. cartel-related murders are spiraling out of control. in mexican cities. and we've been following those stories for years. and coming up next, we unveil a new way for you to keep track of all the ll t whether you consider it a cruiser or a clunker, you could turn it into cash. get to your dodge, chrysler, and jeep dealer, and get up to double the government's cash for your old car. now get up to $4,500 for your old car... plus, up to an additional $4,500 cash allowance. no turn-in? no problem. your dodge, chrysler, and jeep dealer guarantees everyone up to $4,500 cash allowance... on virtually every model. get to your dodge, chrysler and jeep dealer on the double, and get double cash for your old car!
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sean: mexican drug violence is out of control and shows no signs of slowing. border patrol agent robert rostas was shot and killed by smugglers southeast of san diego. he was responding to a report of smuggling activity and shot multiple times and left to die in the desert. there were signs of a struggle and the smugglers took his weapon, radio and other personal gear. south of the border, well, this is a picture and it's getting very grim. the number of drug cartel-related killings over the past three years is more than 12,000. now, as you know we have been covering the border and mexican drug violence for years. and now we are launching a new feature on our website to help you keep track of what's going on along the border. ainsely earhardt is here to tell us about it. >> thank you, sean. on our website, /hannity a map of the southwest border of it is divided up into the nine border patrol sectors that are positioned along
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mexico. from the san diego sector in the west to the rio grande sector on the east side of texas. there are buttons that turn on certain features for you. for example, if you want to see what portions of the border currently have sensing, and at what spots the border fences have been proposed, all you have to do is click on those buttons. to zoom in on a certain sector, you just click on it. the yellow triangles indicate locations where we already have links to recent news that we've been reporting on or areas where we have actually been ourselves and reported. to watch a video, all you have to do is click on it. and it will play automatically. each time we do a report from this border, it will be added. and to watch a different video, just click on it. pretty easy. the interactive map will be constantly updated as events unfold in mexico and along the border. and if you think there's something that should be added to this map, you can just let us know. all you have to do is visit the great american blog, so go check it out. go to and
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look for this border map. back to you, sean. sean: thanks, ainsely. as we said drug related violence in mexico is not slowing down. since mexican president felipe calderon ordered troops and federal police to combat the violence, 11,000 people have been killed. joining us now is the producer of the documentary "drug wars silver or lead." rusty fleming. those numbers are staggering. i mean, this -- these are frightening, chilling numbers. like open warfare going on down there. >> you know, sean, here's the thing. and i tell people this all the time. that you have to realize that these cartels have crossed every boundary that used to guide these groups. and now with the fact that the military has put pressure on the cartels, they're acting out in ways that they've never done before. and we're also seeing it in places that they've never acted out before. i mean, you just saw last week in acapulco the 18 men that
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were shot there. we're seeing the violence in -- and even though the military's involved, even in jarez you have 10,000 troops and military personnel there. and they're still getting seven homicides a day. sean: look -- >> it is totally out of control. sean: look at the weapons that we're showing. we're having here, you have in your documentary, you have one rival cartel member. and another, you know, member of the cartel, and apparently you have thim being executed -- you have them being executed. tell us what you have on tape here and what happens. >> what that is, that's actually a video that was put out by the cartel that captured these four. and that's the senaloa cartel. they interrogate these four men and get them to divulge information about assassinations, kidnappings, torture methods that the vedas use. and they ended up executing
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them on tape. sean: i want to be clear so our audience -- i'm not trying to interrupt you. but i'm looking at these images and faces. every one of these guys got executed? >> that's correct. sean: and it's on your documentary? >> we show the last one. we show actually the first guy being shot, yes. sean: all right. let's take a listen to what they said. we actually have some of this on tape.
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sean: they were sent to kill the district attorney and i understand because the other drug cartel member was mad at them. and they wanted to kill thim because he was paid to -- to kill him because he was paid to warn them about certain operations. can you give us more details? >> sure. what it is is in the state of tamalipa at that particular time, the zetas had the state government on the payroll from the governor to the district attorneys to the -- what we would call the assistant attorney generals. and what they were basically doing is paying them for information as it related to federal raids that would be coming in to their areas. and there was a raid on a group of zetas that this d.a. did not warn them about. so they put a contract on his life.
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sean: and every one of those guys you have the video, they were all assassinated. every one of them. >> they were all assassinated, that's correct. sean: that's pretty chilling, mr. fleming. thank you for being with us. we appreciate it. >> thanks for having me, sean. sean: and coming up, our conspiracy month continues with our investigation into the existence of u.f.o.'s. we have never before seen video that might just prove that you and d d d d d d d d gecko vo: you see, it's not just telling people geico could save 'em hundreds on car insurance. it's actually doing it. gecko vo: businessmen say "hard work equals success." well, you're looking at, arguably, the world's most successful businessgecko. gecko vo: first rule of "hard work equals success." gecko vo: that's why geico is consistently rated excellent or better in terms of financial strength. gecko vo: second rule: "don't steal a coworker's egg salad, 'specially if it's marked "the gecko."
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sean: conspiracy theory special continues with a look at the american obsession with alien spaceships. now, we are trying to answer the question that people have been asking for centuries. are we alone in the universe? there is something a man has seen flying over his property every night. our cameras went to washington to capture the phenomenon and to see if we finally had proof that aliens exist. let's take a look. flying saucers, elian spaceships, unidentified flying
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objects, the existence of other world league craps is one of the most widely believed conspiracy theories in the united states -- aliens spaceships. we may not be alone in our universe, and there may be aliens that might actually want to contact us. from big blockbuster movies to amateur home videos, obsessing about these creatures has become an american pastime. places like roswell, new mexico, have become places to honor alien beings and the conspiracy that surrounds them. thousands flocked there each and every year. many americans say they, quote, believe, but their belief is pretty much all they have. americans have not examined u.f.o.'s sightings since the 1960's after the crash near roswell, which the government
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says was a weather balloon, but conspiracy theorists claimed was an alien spacecraft. most sightings can be explained away and seem to be random, not repeating occurrences. one man in washington claims that alien spacecraft have been appearing over his property every night for 13 years. >> things happen here. it is like a field of dreams. what they call orbs to ships fly over the field. >> james gilliand owns a spiritual retreat center, and yes, you heard right. he says he has seen them up close and personal. he makes in u.f.o.'s his business, and people travel to his place to capture sightings, and he says they are not disappointed. >> the ships come in every size, shape, and color you can imagine. we have had green ones, yellow, purple. we have seen just about
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everything, including flying pyramids, things that look like a pyramid. there are just so many of them, and they are so diverse, there is no way they could be a backyard project or something like this. sean: here is footage we had shot. the objects in the sky appear to be going very fast and appeared to glow. gilliand tells us that the sheer numbers mean we are not alone. >> 200 billion suns just in this and milky way galaxy with planets of bobbing around them. then you add to that, you add the billions of galaxies like this one out there, it is so vast, and is inhabited, and there are beings that are even billions of years ahead of us. sean: he understands that there are skeptics and even people who want to prove him wrong, so he has invited many critics to
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observe the phenomenon themselves. >> we have said boeing engineers, air force base commanders, and the list goes on and on, pilots, air traffic controllers, he and thousands of people have come here and seen the ships, and there is just a mountain of evidence -- air- traffic controllers, thousands of people. sean: one of these critics even went on record to say, quote, -- and just like many other u.s. vote true believers, he claims that the government plays a role in hiding information, even going so far to say that our technological advances came from the alleged ufo crash in roswell. >> they have been keeping misinformation from coming out, and it goes back even before roswell.
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they have actually had interactions, and they have actually contacted with low- level contacts with them and got in technology from the e.t.'s themselves and also from the crash site and things like that, fiberoptics, microwaves, the computer chip. coall of that came from there. they disseminated it. sean: 1 sceptic had a very different take on what we saw in the sky. >> it is moving very steadily with respect to the stars, and is what you would expect from a satellite in the sky. this could be the international space station, for example. there are lots of satellites in the sky. there are lots of them. if you pay any attention at all to the sky, you are about to see one. sean: dozens of satellites can be seen in the sky with the
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naked eye each and every night, but gilliand showed us two satellite-tracking sites that showed his area would be clear that night. >> any visible satellites, like the space station, another bright one, the tool bags that they drop, just anything. anything visible in the area. so when we see something, we can use this data to prove that this is not anything we have up there. it is some other object, an unknown. sean: so the verdict is still out on whether or not his farm is being visited by aliens and if this footage is proof that aliens exist, but to him, it is. >> there has got to be life out there. there. if this is the best that the